Liberal Fascism Q-A (2)
PLAYLIST: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C20E954A7632DCFD
PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFoiVZDSRs&feature=PlayList&p=C20E954A7632DCFD&index=1
Q&A session — Jonah Goldberg discusses his new book, “Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning”, at The Heritage Foundation on C-SPAN2. 09 JAN 08. (heritage.org)
Duration : 0:9:9
It sounds like a …
It sounds like a metaphor for German race.
Only to …
Only to hair-triggered racialists whose indefensible political theology requires them to lapse into fits of stupor over some of the most commonly used phrases and slangs — as an attempt to distract from the point — and, of course, to those whose ignorance is genuine.
Thanks for the …
Thanks for the subtly disguised insult. I am not certain one can have a “fit of stupor”—but thanks for playing. Look, all I was saying was that it was a bad choice of words.
Well, since by fit …
Well, since by fit you mean only the secondary medical meaning, I will only accuse you of being verbose. Anyway, how was I distracting from Goldberg’s point. I was merely attacking his choice of language. Furthermore, to accuse an atheist of practicing a “political theology” shows that you are either very offbase or losed in your own world of terminological insularity.
You’re welcome.
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You’re welcome.
Assuming your ignorance of the common colloquialism is genuine, the use of the term “it’s in their DNA” is a well used and insightful description for a sticky, persistent cultural aspect. Especially one that persists over generations, regardless of the particular individuals in charge. It’s commonly applied to cultures, corporations, political parties, etc.
The term “in their …
The term “in their DNA” is not a common metaphor for culture. It is a common metaphor for an innate characteristic—not an acquired one. No matter what Goldberg meant, and a agree with him on a great many things though not on American exceptionalism (or, at least, he thinks we are more of an exception than we are), he chose his phrasing badly here. End of story. T
How so?
Atheist …
How so?
Atheist minds, as human as any other, hold a full wad of specific beliefs on matters of creation and its creator; otherwise known as one’s religion.
Sure, Atheism is the most unexamined and disorganized of all religions, and the most hostile to intellectual inquiry, as well as the most intolerant and murderous; however it’s a theology none the less.
Epilogue:
Your …
Epilogue:
Your ignorance of colloquial usage of the English language continues to impress.
“In their DNA” …
“In their DNA” means an innate, not an acquired, characteristic. Since culture is acquired, it is objectively wrong to use this phrase to refer to culture. END OF THE STORY.
Now you’re arguing …
Now you’re arguing against evolution. In fact, innate characteristics are, by evolution, acquired through the processes of evolution. (The one does not preclude the other.)
Regardless, your complaint remains silly, by the virtue of the fact that the term is commonly used as I already explained it to you.
That definition is …
That definition is wrong and needs to be updated. While fascism has all those qualities it differed from other brutal dicatorships that ruled by force. Fascism was a political cult movement within a government. It would be like if scientology formed a political party and got into office. That is what fascism really was.
This man is so …
This man is so saddening. He’s utterly convinced his viewpoint is correct. He actually believes the stream of coming out of his mouth. It’s almost as though he’s been brainwashed or something. Mr. Goldberg, your opinions ARE NOT FACTS. They are opinions. Fact: Italy was a part of the Axis forces during WW2. Opinion: Mussolini didn’t want to be part of the Holocaust. That just ONE example out of virtually every other thing you say.
Your contrived …
Your contrived distinction, which categorizes one set of observations as “fact” and the other as “opinion”, is specious and pointless.
Both points, that Italy joined forces with Nazi Germany AND that Italy wasn’t ideologically drawn to the genocidal facet of Nazism, are based on a broad set of observations regarding Italy’s behavior during the war. Both are rational conclusions drawn from those observations of the historical record. Both are accurate.
Fascinating stuff. …
Fascinating stuff. I’ve met enough liberals and progressives to know why they find these simple facts confusing.
It was a metaphor …
It was a metaphor for German culture.
You completely …
You completely ignored what he said. Although Habeas Corpus is still intact, so that part of the argument is flawed anyway, a lack civil liberties has nothing to do with fascism. Regimented industry and commerce are goals of the Democratic party. If Bush is a fascist, why wasn’t he suppressing opposition? Tons of people criticize him every day; why was the movie W allowed to be created? Democrats are the ones who side with things like the Fairness Doctrine.
In the DNA, that is …
In the DNA, that is pretty bad. It was in German culture—not German DNA.
Uh Jonah Mussolini …
Uh Jonah Mussolini was a communist and a murderer, Fascism was a sSoivet front Benito was an agent of Socialism Internationale and murdered all legit political opposition not staged opposiition and was rabidly atheist, darwinist, andti-Catholic, homosexua and hated Jews, he just didn’t wat to annihilate the whole race…He was the quiilant of Richard Daley on 1,000 megtons of Roids with a Communist background and a for a new “Roman empire” as he wanted to put it.
musolini was not a …
musolini was not a anti-semite but was a racist – he killed many blacks in ethopia for no reason.
Dictionary …
Dictionary definition of fascism; “a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.”
Please let’s not try to redefine the term or couch it in double-speak. Perhaps Goldberg would like to comment on the loss of Habeas Corpus, singularly the biggest loss of American liberties in the history of the country.
Did you watch the …
Did you watch the whole speech starting from the first video? Or understand the fact that “dna” was just a metaphor for deeply ingrained tenets of our culture? Or the only fascist that was ’supported’ was Mussolini, even though all that was just a praise to historical Italian pride+culture?
Goldberg rocks.
Goldberg rocks.
He never says …
He never says Americans can never be fascists… his whole book is about how it has happened and might happen again. He said we’d never have the racist genocide like in Germany. Also if you actually listen to him, he explains how the word “fascist” has nothing to do with genocide or atrocities. Those qualities have been attributed to the word by logical error. It would make just as much sense for “socialist” to carry the same stigma.
Listen to the LIES …
Listen to the LIES coming out of his mouth!
First of all he defends fascism… his version of fascism talking about Italy is apparently more palatable to him. It’s still evil under any flag or regime.
:And then .. he says Americans can never be fascists because it’s against their DNA.
What a desperate lie.. what disinformation!
Beware of these quote unquote ‘intellectuals’.